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India Arie called Joe Rogan a “conscious racist” for his repeated use of the word on N.
On February 5, the popular American podcast Spotify apologized after a selection of videos appeared that showed him using racial insults in clips of episodes over a 12-year period.
On Monday, Arie appeared on “The Daily Show” and discussed the situation with leading Trevor Noah.
“There is conscious racism … if you know you’re doing it … If you know you’re doing it and you keep doing it, I’d say it’s racism,” the 46-year-old explained. “When I think of Joe Rogan, I think he’s deliberately racist … And so he said that and then he said,‘ What are you going to do? Oh, I’m sorry. I didn’t mean it or “I” I didn’t understand. There was no context in which I had to say it – I don’t believe it. I think he knew there was no context.
“He knew it was absurd,” she shared. “… What he has done many times… I believe it is racism. And I don’t even like to say that, because I’m a sensitive old soul and I want to believe in the best in people. “
Arie said that after hearing the 54-year-old’s apology, her first instinct was to go, “he tried.”
“But when I go deeper and ask myself what I really think … what I really think is that he was deliberately racist,” Arie said. “I wonder how he talks behind closed doors. If you have at least a mindset in which you can call black people monkeys, there is something in it. ”
In a video posted to his Instagram account, Rogan, who hosts a podcast called “Joe Rogan’s Experience,” said that using the N-word in a compilation published by Arie was the “most regrettable and shameful thing I’ve ever had. had to talk about it publicly. ” But he said the clips were “taken out of context”.
“It’s not my word. I know it well now, but I have used it this way for years, ”he said in a six-minute video. “I’ve never used this as a racist because I’m not a racist.”
He did not specify in which years he used racial swearing.
Rogan also referred to a clip from his podcast 11 years ago in which he talked about going to a movie theater in the Black Quarter to watch “Planet of the Apes”.
“I was trying to make the story entertaining and I said we came out and it was like we were in Africa. It’s like Planet of the Apes, Rogan said. He said he didn’t try to be a racist, but realized it was an “idiotic thing”. He said he deleted the podcast, but someone probably saved the clip.
Arie noted that she would like to see more from Rogan than just apologize.
“If you’re Joe Rogan and you have a large audience listening, you’re doing it, you’re encouraging them to do it, and now we’re in trouble as a society,” she said of his repeated use of racist language. “If you have the authority to found this, and you have this whole audience that now thinks maybe it’s okay for them to do it, now we have a problem with this atomic bomb … I don’t think we have seen [enough] changed Joe Rogan’s behavior to say, “We’re fine.” Because I don’t think he fully understands what he did there. “
Since her speech, Arie said her DM section and comments on Instagram were flooded with “all sorts of” racist, misogynistic remarks.
“It tells me that these people who want to protect Joe Rogan think it’s the right language for that,” she explained. “So Joe Rogan needs to do more than say, ‘Oh yeah, sorry.’ If you want to really lead your listeners on a new path, then bring them to the point where they don’t feel it’s the right language to enter my DM and call me the word N in its defense. He needs to teach them that they shouldn’t feel that way. They don’t make him look good. “
“I would like to see him work harder on what he did and what it is,” Arie continued. “… If you’re a certain type of person in this world, if you don’t, especially as a white person – I want to say that if you don’t do the job of not being a racist, then it’s in you. So, Joe Rogan is now given the opportunity to do work and teach other people … Learn from yourself and then manage them. Because now you’re making this world a better place … What fixes things is talking. “
When it comes to a simple apology, Arie stressed that “this is not enough.”
Arie also noted that she is still “fighting” with Spotify to remove her music.
“I have to say that asking to remove my music from Spotify in protest doesn’t really help me,” she said. “Because now my music, if things go the way I want, my music won’t sound on the biggest streaming platform. But I did it in protest only because I felt that my dignity was preserved … disrespected … I used to be honest. “
Spotify is facing growing dissatisfaction from artists over Rogan’s podcast, for whose license he paid more than $ 100 million. Last month, musician Neil Young removed his music out of fear that Rogan was increasing skepticism about the vaccine.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.